MYA Space | Jay | Activity https://space.mya.co.uk/members/jaybr90/activity/ Activity feed for Jay. Sun, 14 Dec 2025 12:39:07 +0000 https://buddypress.org/?v=10.2.0 en-GB 30 hourly 2 657f34f3853115dce272559ade1e2e23 Jay replied to the topic Sleeping without a bra?! in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/sleeping-without-a-bra-3/#post-883322 Sun, 13 Dec 2015 11:13:45 +0000 At my 6 week check I was told to sleep in a sports bra for another 6 weeks xx

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65328d1b441baf12626dddb7e8ac1b2e Jay replied to the topic Worried that they will be too small! in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/worried-that-they-will-be-too-small/#post-882587 Tue, 08 Dec 2015 07:11:54 +0000 I had 325 HP unders and went from a large 32b/small c to a 32E! HP definitely have more projection but it depends on your frame and breast pocket size as to which profile you have so you may not be able to swap. Also bear in mind that a boob job won’t push your boobs together more, they will sit as wide as they are now they will just be bigger.

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3bbdf5bdd8120b148d41499d9fec96a3 Jay replied to the topic Can I go bra less for 1 night? in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/can-i-go-bra-less-for-1-night/#post-882586 Tue, 08 Dec 2015 07:07:40 +0000 Also be careful on the night out, I wouldn’t recommend getting really drunk and jumping up and down dancing as you won’t be able to tell if it hurts because you’ll be numb from the alcohol 🙂

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94072c959180d3e92bb8c11722cc3745 Jay replied to the topic Post op girls- when did you go and get measured? in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/post-op-girls-when-did-you-go-and-get-measured/#post-882116 Thu, 03 Dec 2015 18:38:32 +0000 I got measured at 6 weeks but I’ve heard of girls who have done this and have later gone up a cup size so I’ve only bought two bras for now x

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b0a7d90b989397c23a4e182749128d33 Jay replied to the topic Advice on after care 350cc high profile implants? in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/advice-on-after-care-350cc-high-profile-implants/#post-881765 Tue, 01 Dec 2015 11:12:46 +0000 Hi Charlotte, no I didn’t have drains just strapping!

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c1fd6b975155f13626df885d58ffc429 Jay replied to the topic Advice on after care 350cc high profile implants? in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/advice-on-after-care-350cc-high-profile-implants/#post-881741 Tue, 01 Dec 2015 07:04:23 +0000 Hi Charlotte, make sure you have lots of pillows piled up behind you coz if you only have a couple your back can cave inwards which can cause a lot of pain.I had 325 HP unders and have just reached the 6 week mark, photo attached, they don’t look anywhere near as uneven as that in person, it always shocks me when I take a photo xx

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f2dee50a163875609822621ab03fc150 Jay replied to the topic Got measured at 32 E after 6 week check up but have some bra questions... in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/got-measured-at-32-e-after-6-week-check-up-but-have-some-bra-questions/#post-881740 Tue, 01 Dec 2015 06:58:35 +0000 Thanks Alex, I was hoping it was just my nurse being extra cautious but apparently not. I’d read everywhere that 6 weeks you can start wearing bras and sleeping normally so it’s a bit gutting for that not to be the case xx

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9e15af48c3db98cc4abd0d8dbeecff91 Jay replied to the topic Difference between unders and partials?? in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/difference-between-unders-and-partials/#post-881739 Tue, 01 Dec 2015 06:51:29 +0000 Hi Natalie, I’ve had unders and mine are lovely and round and full at the top x

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b7d7790e04d4ecaa2b34517371f84c83 Jay replied to the topic Dropping & Fluffing equals much smaller bra size! in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/dropping-fluffing-equals-much-smaller-bra-size/#post-881609 Sun, 29 Nov 2015 22:54:23 +0000 They recommend you don’t get measured until at least 6 weeks because they can change so much, sounds like you might still have had some swelling at 4/5 weeks. What size were you to start with?

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f1a2beb36e90a28a7919835640f931bd Jay replied to the topic Got measured at 32 E after 6 week check up but have some bra questions... in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/got-measured-at-32-e-after-6-week-check-up-but-have-some-bra-questions/#post-881579 Sun, 29 Nov 2015 17:37:02 +0000 Thanks Lauren x

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5aabc87a439e5990bedd4102c30afb6a Jay replied to the topic Am I going to ruin them?! in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/am-i-going-to-ruin-them/#post-881555 Sun, 29 Nov 2015 11:01:39 +0000 Hi Lhea, I started sleeping on my side from week 4 as it felt comfy enough to and I had my 6 week check up and Friday and everything was fine. The nurse said I could start sleeping on my side and I told her I had been for the last two weeks and she said that’s fine xx

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91e2ea0dddb0582358fd56cec09a7598 Jay replied to the topic 350 or 375cc unders? Dr. Andrea in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/350-or-375cc-unders-dr-andrea/#post-881554 Sun, 29 Nov 2015 10:58:27 +0000 I had 325 HP unders, am 5’3, 8 stone 8 and was a 32b/c and went up to a 32E xx

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3ed27ae4b7a119778d1fe1f77ef0fe8f Jay replied to the topic 1 week po with unders? in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/1-week-po-with-unders/#post-881553 Sun, 29 Nov 2015 10:55:54 +0000 Hi Lisa, I went back to work after a week, it was a bit of a struggle but much more manageable than the first week x

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b201610c666da251ac0c1ad7e061971c Jay replied to the topic Information please :) in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/information-please/#post-881522 Sat, 28 Nov 2015 20:46:14 +0000 A lot of the time you are told which profile you can have by the surgeon as it depends on your frame, I had to have high profile as they are narrower than mods and I’ve got a small frame.

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8233c6122886a299621f3c1aa2688085 Jay replied to the topic is it worth the risks and complications? in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/is-it-worth-the-risks-and-complications/#post-881506 Sat, 28 Nov 2015 18:50:00 +0000 @Rebe, hopefully it won’t be a problem and if you tell them upfront it shouldn’t slow down the process. I’ve just been measured today at a 32 E but I don’t think they look as big as that xx

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96bdea80688fce6db347b85afd2f1f32 Jay replied to the topic Got measured at 32 E after 6 week check up but have some bra questions... in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/got-measured-at-32-e-after-6-week-check-up-but-have-some-bra-questions/#post-881500 Sat, 28 Nov 2015 17:21:22 +0000 Ok thanks Amy that’s great x

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fe88b095cf8676e9b8b4436066cdf6a2 Jay started the topic Got measured at 32 E after 6 week check up but have some bra questions... in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/got-measured-at-32-e-after-6-week-check-up-but-have-some-bra-questions/ Sat, 28 Nov 2015 00:18:17 +0000 Hello,

Had my 6 week check up today then went to get measured, I got 325 HP unders from a large 32b/ small 32c and got measured as a 32 E!! My surgeon said only 350’s might take me to the D/DD I was after so they definitely under estimate cup size!

Did anyone else get told they had to wait for another 2 weeks to wear an under wire bra and that…[Read more]

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faa812247b5112ffd15c47660935b70d Jay replied to the topic Do u Lose alot of blood during surgery in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/do-u-lose-alot-of-blood-during-surgery/#post-881391 Fri, 27 Nov 2015 13:09:24 +0000 Honestly the opp itself is nothing to worry about, it’s the healing which is a pain!

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d1796a59997a6868b58a42f59485213e Jay replied to the topic Do u Lose alot of blood during surgery in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/do-u-lose-alot-of-blood-during-surgery/#post-881363 Fri, 27 Nov 2015 07:31:01 +0000 No Louisa you don’t loose much blood at all during surgery, I’d given blood a few weeks before so was a pint down anyway and was absolutely fine.I’ve never heard of anyone having to have a blood transfusion and they don’t ask your blood type so I doubt they even hold it as the surgerys.

Definitely not something you should be worrying about.

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49df18612739f2a4cbe5f676daab2fa8 Jay replied to the topic Has anyone got after photos of 380cc overs from 34a in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/has-anyone-got-after-photos-of-380cc-overs-from-34a/#post-881352 Thu, 26 Nov 2015 23:35:41 +0000 380 will definitely not be too small, if anything I’d say if you don’t want anyone to know you’d had them done I’d go smaller. I had 325 and have only just about got away with only a few people noticing. If you’re going for the natural look did they say why they suggested overs as unders are known to give a more natural look? x

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1a607966bdb48295c3d68264e8cc1e2d Jay replied to the topic is it worth the risks and complications? in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/is-it-worth-the-risks-and-complications/#post-881253 Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:35:29 +0000 Not at all sorry I didn’t mean it like that 🙂 no the scaring is tiny and I have to lean back to see them! What size are you now? I think I could probably have pushed him to 375 but even 350 felt too big for me! Ha let me know how you get on xx

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0900ae1d75e831d17b8246982be1e0c3 Jay replied to the topic is it worth the risks and complications? in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/is-it-worth-the-risks-and-complications/#post-881225 Thu, 26 Nov 2015 14:10:22 +0000 @Rebe, they are on a number of posts but I’ll attach them again. Any questions just let me know. Mr Kazzazi is pretty quite but if there’s anything you want to ask him he’s really helpful xx

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866cbd35fb89700773f76f80af019669 Jay replied to the topic Size question to post op girls in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/size-question-to-post-op-girls/#post-881187 Thu, 26 Nov 2015 07:25:56 +0000 Hi Jessica, I thought the sizers felt absolutely huge and stood out a mile away where as now I’m nearly 6 weeks and they have settled they feel no where near as big as the sizers and people who didn’t know I was having it done haven’t noticed which is exactly what I wanted xx

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8f45b3de513746afba27175a2790cb63 Jay replied to the topic is it worth the risks and complications? in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/is-it-worth-the-risks-and-complications/#post-881174 Wed, 25 Nov 2015 23:27:38 +0000 The clinic is pretty small but very clean with lovely staff, I had my own room with a bed and a chair for my dad to sit in. The anaesthetic and sedation was fine, I don’t remember anything after they put the needle in my hand until they woke me up. It knocked me out afterwards though, took about 4 hours before I could keep my eyes open for long…[Read more]

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c11664dc6007998352bd4688fe56e825 Jay replied to the topic When will the pointyness go? in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/when-will-the-pointyness-go/#post-881171 Wed, 25 Nov 2015 23:21:45 +0000 Hi Courtney, mine started to look more round at about 3-4 weeks but it can take up to 6 months for them to fully soften and style into the position they will stay in.

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967b3963a43726c5b78faaf89d970d7b Jay replied to the topic Nipple numbness? in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/nipple-numbness-2/#post-881158 Wed, 25 Nov 2015 21:57:17 +0000 My nipples were and still are super sensitive as appose to numb, parts of my breasts are but certainly not my nipples! Ha I think there is more risk of this with overs add there’s is more chance of damaging the nerves, do you know if you’d be having overs or unders? X

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fbe467925a473f31ab23556133ce9e13 Jay replied to the topic is it worth the risks and complications? in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/is-it-worth-the-risks-and-complications/#post-881144 Wed, 25 Nov 2015 20:05:21 +0000 @Rebe I had Mr Kazzazi and he’s really good at the natural look, I love my new boobs and in a couple more weeks when they settle you won’t even be able to tell I’ve had them done in terms of looking like a boob job. I think as long as you don’t go too big they will settle nicely into shape, and I haven’t had a single complication so it’s hard to…[Read more]

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e911ee66de4ab7ebfc78b97fda018220 Jay replied to the topic Painkillers post op in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/painkillers-post-op-2/#post-881143 Wed, 25 Nov 2015 19:59:11 +0000 I was only given paracetamol and ibuprofen! The more upright I sat the more comfortable I was but to be honest not much helped, unfortunately you just have to ride it out, it won’t be this bad for more than a week x

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5a0e2e533bc9a71846932d042b5a50aa Jay replied to the topic HATE THEM. in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/hate-them/#post-881142 Wed, 25 Nov 2015 19:54:51 +0000 I don’t think they will re-do implants due to size, especially if 320 is the biggest they would offer as he must not have thought you had space for any bigger, however he should have been realistic about what you could achieve with the largest implant you can have. I’ve had 325’s and am either a double D or an E but I was a big b/small c before…[Read more]

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c65ee6383ed7fb54c5166ec8d71cff24 Jay replied to the topic Booked my BA.... 310 round implants behind the muslce? Any photos of similar? in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/booked-my-ba-310-round-implants-behind-the-muslce-any-photos-of-similar/#post-881139 Wed, 25 Nov 2015 19:45:46 +0000 I’m 5’4, 8 stone 8 and size 8, I had 325 high profile unders from large 32b/ small 32c x

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b62a0bb6269df638ac3ea8b7ee9b1946 Jay replied to the topic 275ccs and really unhappy :( in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/275ccs-and-reay-unhappy/#post-881005 Wed, 25 Nov 2015 07:08:35 +0000 @ec1988, mine certainly feel bigger as they have dropped and changed shape. I was offered 350 but went for 325 and I love them, they are just right for my frame and the look I wanted.

I’m not sure on the cost of a re-opp, you could try and negotiate it down with them but I imagine it won’t be cheaper. I would definitely wait 6 months though…[Read more]

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fb12ab5b6e07e39828509868661005bf Jay replied to the topic 275ccs and really unhappy :( in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/275ccs-and-reay-unhappy/#post-880990 Tue, 24 Nov 2015 22:21:36 +0000 @ec1988 they will get bigger as they drop, mine have changed so much over the last few weeks and I’ll be 6 weeks PO on Sunday. Did he offer you bigger and you just didn’t try them or was 275 the biggest he said you could go?

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eb118635448b48a19e45e6f7c7d90c65 Jay replied to the topic 6 weeks post-op lumps (HELP?) in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/6-weeks-post-op-lumps-help/#post-880841 Tue, 24 Nov 2015 07:22:39 +0000 It sounds like it could be an air bubble if you can move it around, if it is they should go on their own.if you’re 6 weeks you should have an appointment with the nurse coming up so you could ask her then or call in before if you’re worried x

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a84dbbb1e030bb0c8ce0c017e381ea12 Jay replied to the topic 34b/32c don't know what size to go? in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/34b32c-dont-know-what-size-to-go/#post-880840 Tue, 24 Nov 2015 07:18:58 +0000 I’m 5’3, 8 stone 10 and was a 32b/c. I had 325 HP unders and will be a DD or an E (getting measured on Friday). I absolutely love them, they are the perfect size for me and look more and more natural everyday x

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72707411d55131c329efa5b881e4a23d Jay replied to the topic Confused on how to sleep! Help! in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/confused-on-how-to-sleep-help/#post-880838 Tue, 24 Nov 2015 07:11:48 +0000 I started twisting more and more into my side at the 4 week mark, I’m 5 weeks now and am fully on my side. You will know when it’s OK to do it because it won’t hurt, I couldn’t have laid on my side any sooner because it was too sore to but as soon as it wasn’t I was straight onto my side xx

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ecbaf01db867ba976a1c51946abd2399 Jay replied to the topic When do they finally drop! in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/when-do-they-finally-drop/#post-880596 Sun, 22 Nov 2015 17:38:18 +0000 I like the m&s ones as well. I noticed a big difference at week 4 and I’m 5 weeks now and they pretty much feel like normal boobs but everyone heals at different rates xx

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d95855599b6222aece11bf6256d20255 Jay replied to the topic Uneven boobs/Dropping in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/uneven-boobsdropping/#post-880594 Sun, 22 Nov 2015 17:35:30 +0000 It depends how much aysymetry you have to start with, everyone has one slightly bigger than the other but if it’s not enough to warrant a different size implant then there isn’t much you can do. Did you discuss having two different sizes beforehand? Xx

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00a9458fcd68592556dd9a9ba0081e9f Jay replied to the topic Uneven boobs/Dropping in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/uneven-boobsdropping/#post-880571 Sun, 22 Nov 2015 14:04:51 +0000 @emz92 mine were exactly the same, the one that was dropping slower always looked smaller. But if you had one boob smaller than the other to start with a boob job won’t fix that unless you have different sizes in each so I would expect one to still be slightly bigger than the other x

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64827d0daae1bc52035e0d405970be3a Jay replied to the topic Advice please x in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/advice-please-x/#post-880472 Sat, 21 Nov 2015 18:30:26 +0000 @helenoftroy really sorry to hear this must be gutting! how come they can’t fit you in until March, is that the next date available for your surgeon? If so how about having a consultation with another surgeon who has more availability? X

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ebcf318e3c2b46930055ea3396010943 Jay replied to the topic 295cc currently 32c in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/295cc-currently-32c/#post-879964 Thu, 19 Nov 2015 06:30:37 +0000 @c25xx no I’ve got my 6 week check up next Friday where I’m hoping they are going to tell me that I can wear normal bras then I’ll go and get measured. I’m wearing a 32 DD sports bra though xx

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309a8f23a706bd9b525896d4ccf62084 Jay replied to the topic 295cc currently 32c in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/295cc-currently-32c/#post-879933 Wed, 18 Nov 2015 21:31:34 +0000 @c25xx, I am literally the exact same stats as you and was a large 32 b/ small c before hand. I had 325cc 5 weeks ago, I’ll attach before and afters so you can compare xx

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6c36b08ecfec3af501a212fd2ba51382 Jay replied to the topic Recovery time in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/recovery-time-21/#post-879585 Tue, 17 Nov 2015 07:21:49 +0000 @hjlewis350 I had a week and a day off work which was fine but the first two days back were a struggle. I have a desk job and was very glad of it as I wouldn’t have been able to stand up all day, I found walking around quite painful for about 2 weeks so I suppose it depends how active you need to be. Are you having unders or overs?

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82a88ea64c5994e7c52570a52f0001f5 Jay replied to the topic Strapping!! in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/strapping-85/#post-879530 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 22:02:42 +0000 It depends on your surgeon, I’m allergic to a lot of adhesives so asked what the risks were without having strapping and he said there is a risk of displacement. You will find horror stories on here about strapping but there will be twice as many people who had no problems but it’s not something you would post about if it was fine.

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13a1629e4ae6445c90678e9197929785 Jay replied to the topic Dropping in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/dropping-15/#post-879529 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 21:54:01 +0000 Hi Jessica, I’m in exactly the same position, I was 4 weeks PO yesterday. I can definitely tell mine are starting to drop (slowly) but are still stuck hard. I think that is the last thing to go and often take up to 6 months to fully soften so I think we just need to be patient x

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ebfff8bb7102f88ab33cbf93c0dffe31 Jay replied to the topic Anyone had 320 or 350s? Pictures? in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/anyone-had-320-or-350s-pictures/#post-879268 Sun, 15 Nov 2015 17:41:34 +0000 Sorry pictures attached x

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c7caf2c2ae3aac67deb156317a47d912 Jay replied to the topic Anyone had 320 or 350s? Pictures? in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/anyone-had-320-or-350s-pictures/#post-879267 Sun, 15 Nov 2015 17:40:36 +0000 @farrahx I’m 5’3, size 8 and was a 32b, I got 325 HP unders and am currently wearing a 32DD sports bra but they haven’t finished dropping and fluffing yet and you usually measured bigger in bras. I was offered 350 but thought they looked too big on me and I’m happy with my decision xx

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8803c99331ff709bacc944e1a371735a Jay replied to the topic Not happy wear a bra all day and night in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/not-happy-wear-a-bra-all-day-and-night/#post-879263 Sun, 15 Nov 2015 17:34:11 +0000 Were you advised to have an uplift and did you have asymmetry before? X

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5dfecd3cf80981689120ea411b2101a2 Jay replied to the topic Overs, hp to Unders Mod...... in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/overs-hp-to-unders-mod/#post-879262 Sun, 15 Nov 2015 17:29:02 +0000 Hi Marlena , it depends what you are trying to achieve, how come you are having them re-done? I’d say mod plus unders would definitely give you a smaller look than HP overs but it depends what you’re after, I’m sure he would have advised that for a reason based in what you’re looking for as an end result x

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bfe8cebf3e3f4f3ba36a6893e3866412 Jay replied to the topic PO 19 days - dropping advice!! in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/po-19-days-dropping-advice/#post-879217 Sun, 15 Nov 2015 14:25:07 +0000 @beth-Warren yeah I can’t wait to see the finished product! Yours look fab too, really nice shape! At least we have boobies now, think I’d still rather have slightly wonky big ones than small ones! Ha xx

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6134546b83b64717c89c88fe01f5b205 Jay replied to the topic PO 19 days - dropping advice!! in the forum Breast Enlargement http://www.mya.co.uk/mya-space/mya-forums/topic/po-19-days-dropping-advice/#post-879127 Sun, 15 Nov 2015 00:38:28 +0000 Hi Beth, mine are the same but probably more noticeable and I’m 4 weeks PO. They take time to settle and one usually drops quicker than the other so until they have finished dropping and have got to where they will settle, they probably will be uneven as the other doesn’t have chance the catch up until one stops moving xx

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