PIP implants…opinions?

This PIP drama seems to have flared up in the news again…I’m interested to know peoples opinions on the situation. Should our government pay for replacements or not? Personally I don’t think they should, but I would love to hear the opinions of others just out of interest…slanderous and rude comments will be ignored, only interested in educated inputs/remarks

In a way I would say they should because they could damage people’s health and companies would have known there was a problem with them as they were so cheap and the fact they got banned from USA in 2001ish? and in a way I think they shouldn’t because the people who have them should have researched what implant they were getting before they had them they would have then realised that they were already banned in a few countries

Xx

I think the companies should pay, not the over worked nhs, or the poor woman that where miss-sold them, it’s neither of there faults, it’s the companies, and it solely lies with them.

It’s non-medical grade silicone inside them poor woman, and the companies have insurance against things like this, so like the few companies standing my their patients, they should pass that insurance onto these woman xx

i personally think all companies should follow mya’s example and replace them for free, if we had a faulty tv etc we would expect a full refund or exchange. i dont see why this is any diff. everyone falls back on the government to sort issues out or the nhs, in my opinion this is washing their hands with the resonsibility and duty of care they own to their patients. i really feel for the 1000’s of people in the horrid nightmare of pip implants. i know harley wernt even offering their patients the free scan to confirn if their implants were intact or not. on tv the head of harley stated if they offered all patients the £100 scan they would have to go bust, WTF!! this goes to show they care more about money then their patients. also he said the nhs should foot the bill and sort out their error.

MYA is a fantastic company with how they handled the pip nightmare and replacing all pip for free. WELL DONE MYA XX

i think the goverment should remove as there is a good chance that they can cause health problems, most people that under go cosmetic surgery are fit healthy people that eat well and exercise well, in turn never really use nhs for much. cosmetic surgery is a choice and we know there are risks but

smokers, alcoholics etc… get cared for by the nhs and this is no different

thats only my opinion though

I think they shouldn’t have to pay for replacements but I think it’s definitely in the women’s best interests to have them removed at least and then they can try save up for new ones again if they wish.

i do how ever belive that the company that put them in should be responsable, but thanks mya for leading by exaple

I also wrote a comment on Daily mail recently about the PIPs and had a calm debate with Jenny Eclair over her comments about women like us on Loose Women over Twitter about it lol here’s the DM thing http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2112631/PIP-breast-implants-caused-hair-loss-insomnia-Andrea-Hayman.html#comments I’m ‘Becca, Glasgow’.

i bel;ieve if they were given pips on nhs then the government should replace them but if had pips privately then the company should replace free as these ladies were miss sold and shoddy product xxx

i totally agree with joannabella these poor women were sold ‘faulty goods’ and they should be replaced by the company that provided them. if u bought a top from a shop and u took it home and then found that the stitching has came loose u would take it back and ask 4 a refund or a exchange, so in my eyes i don’ t see why these women have 2 reach in2 their pockets and fort the bill.i don’t agree that the nhs or the tax payer should have to pay for it.

the thing that worries me is that the company’s that bought the pip implants were paying such a reduced rate for the pip implants they must have known that they were faulty.

sending hugs for all the women that have been mistreated and fobbed off by these company’s. xx

Don’t jump on me for this, but in a way I understand why Harley Medical’s approach because of crushing liability…if they went bust then patients would have absolutely no access to a re op as the law doesn’t allow that if a company goes bust. £100 isn’t that much money to pay for the sake of your health, is it? Just to clarify, I’m not being mean, I’m just trying to put things in perspective…

I really don’t agree with the way the NHS is footing the bill for everyone in general, I think we would be better off using the American system (that isn’t related to implants, just a thought)but maybe if people stopped taking the NHS for granted then there would be more options available to these women

Thats the thing about PIPs though if you bought a dress from Topshop then Topshop went bust then you find your dress is faulty you can’t take it back. The PIP company went bust and therefore are taking no responsibility for their products and neither are the private companies which is ludacris but they would also go bust if they took everyone back since they did hundreds maybe thousands of PIP implants in patients so probably would go bust before recalling every one of their patients. I’m not condoning the private companies in any way and think they should do their darndest to replace everyone who they distributed the implants to but it seems theyre damned if they do and damned if they don’t. Almost everyone thats affected by the PIP scandal is stuck between a rock and a hard place, it’s crazy.

No, I meant the cosmetic surgery companies; if they go bust then they have absolutely no obligation to give out any refunds or give any one a re op because they are out of capital….

I had my PIP’s replaced 5 weeks ago, i paid for the operation myself. Only found out i had the horrid things when i returned from holiday in December to discover the scandal had been in the press for weeks!!!! Was in total shock and just booked in ASAP to have them replaced. I don’t think the NHS should have to foot the bill for private patients, however it seems only fair for them to help the women that originally had them done on the NHS. With regards to private clinics, I feel they should assist women were necessary, maybe performing the surgery at cost price for those who can’t afford a reop. Ideally the a*******s who manufactoed the damn things should pay, but unfortunately they have gone bankrupt, so that’s not an option!!!!

I could never live the way Americans do, with their health system, looking at the health insurance over pay is ludicrous to me. My sister-in-law (to be) is over there, and plays violin in an orcastra, but has stepped down a role because it’s better insurance in it then being the role she was in (forgive me for not knowing properly, I’m honestly not musical like the married in family are)

Having a system like that affects the really vulnerable, and to me, that’s wrong. If my dad was ill and needed and op, I like to know I don’t have to save like mad for it, and that it’s done for him.

I know people abuse the nhs, but it has helped every single one of us ladies on this site, one way or another, and without it, we should literally be up a creak with no paddle! Xx

Being one of the unfortunate women who had the pips, i am torn as to what should happen. On the one hand im a nurse and work for the nhs and see regularly how they are stretched and so therefore think replacing the pips would be an added pressure they dont need. On the other hand, in the early days of mya telling me i had the pips and they werent sure if they were gona replace them or not, and not thinkin i was in a financial position to have them taken out privately, and having suffered ill health due to the implants, i would totally have expected the nhs to remove them. Its self survival and when it comes down to it everyone wants what is best for them, and im sure dolly, if you had had the pips and not the funds to replace them you would have wanted the same thing. People above have very valid points in thats smokers, drinkers (somthing many of the ladies on here are) would expect and recieve treatment on the nhs if one of these things caused ill health, which are both potent products alot of us willingly and happily put in our bodies regularly. On the other hand the pip victims were neither informed of the potential potency of the pip composition and where therefore unable to make an informed choice. And nowadays noone can say they arent aware of the potential problems associated with booze and fags! Another valid point made is that if anyone bought a faulty tv they would want an exchange, refund, whatever, free of charge and without much hassle, well us pip victims want the same. Untill you have been in this position its hard to know how it feels x

I think ideally the private companies who used the PIP implants in their patients should remove and replace them at no cost, as the women were given a substandard product without knowing. I get that some companies have only used them in a minority of patients so that’s not so much of a problem to do, but other companies used them for a lot of patients so I don’t know whether they could genuinely afford to remove and replace everyone’s for free all at once.

I guess if it meant that they would go bust that’s not going to be good for any of their patients including those who weren’t given PIPs or who had other procedures cos if the company doesn’t exist what happens with their aftercare etc. That wouldn’t be fair on those patients to then have to pay for another company to deal with any issues that may occur with them. In that case I think maybe for the time being the private companies should screen everyone to see if they’ve ruptured and only replace them for women whose implants have ruptured or those who have problems with them. Then maybe gradually replace the rest over time and have more regular screening.

If the companies say they can’t do this as a last resort I think the NHS should step in and remove the implants for free if they have ruptured or the women have had related problems, and maybe the women pay a much lower cost towards a replacement if they want one so the NHS isn’t completely footing the bill.

I don’t know anything about business but surely there is some kind of insurance companies take out to protect themselves for crisis situations? In all fairness it’s likely that the private companies themselves were missold the PIP implants and even though they were probably attracted by the low price, I doubt most would take the risk of the potential problems on such a large scale if they knew they were substandard.

x

@lozzalooloo you do make some very valid points and I am a smoker and a heavy drinker but at the end of the day that’s my responsibility, both financially and health wise and I wouldn’t expect the NHS to foot the bill for me….but you are right, those women weren’t able to make an informed decision, however I’m not sure who should be paying for all this; kind of a catch 22 x

@candyfloss, yes, all businesses have an insurance policy, but it can only stretch so far…it depends whether they can actually cope with the losses suffered; it’s like when a car gets written off because the damage is too severe x

The insurance companies should pay out as much as they reasonably can then to help the companies out… No idea if they actually are though! x

It just doesn’t work like that though…if they were allowed to pay out as much as they wanted then the system would be open to abuse and the insurance companies may not be able to afford it anyway. x

Tough one!!! I personally think the NHS should remove any that are causing immediate danger because like it or not that’s what they are there for, yes I have always said the companies who put them in should replace them however I understand why they are so opposed to doing so, our government after all did give these shoddy implants the uk seal of approvement but of course now that it may cost the country millions they are shunning the blame away from themselves!! Maybe the head of the department that signed them off as safe should take a pay cut to help fund the mess they have caused…… Overpaid t***s !!!

I meant pay out within the restraints of whatever policy it is the companies may have with them; I didn’t mean just randomly give them any amount of money. I think the insurance company could see this is a real issue. If they can’t afford to contribute, like I said I think that’s when the NHS needs to intervene cos it’s not the women’s fault. x

I don’t pay taxes (yet) but at the end of the day if the NHS is footing the bill then so are you. I’m not sure if I’d be comfortable with that, I think that we get taxed far too much already x

Just out of curiosity Dolly what is your opinion who do you think should be responsible/pay for the pip replacement ?

It depends..if it’s a company like MYA who didn’t use PIP’s in very many patients then yes, they should be expected to pay. But a company like The Harley Medical Group can’t be expected to foot the bill because they have sooo many patients with PIP’s…if they were to pay for it all then they would most likely go bust and current patients would suffer too. I just think that some people are taking a very black and white approach to it and I would like to show them different sides of the situation but am also open to any opinions as long as they are relevant x

Generally yeah I think we do get taxed a lot… But I pay taxes and I also work for the NHS, and I support and believe in a healthcare system that is largely free (or provided for at a minimal cost) for everyone who is in need so I don’t feel uncomfortable if the NHS has to get involved to some extent. The alternative systems like that in America make me feel much more uncomfortable as to me it’s not equitable.

Many of these women may be in need – they shouldn’t be left in pain with potentially harmful implants in them as they were under the belief that they were safe because they can’t afford another few thousand pound for a re op and it might take time to save up. Not to mention the emotional distress this is having on these women in the meantime. Yes they knew the risks of a BA but having dodgy silicone in them wasn’t one of them. Just leaving them may cause further complications that the NHS will have to pick up on later down the line anyway as its duty of care so it’s kind of just minimising the impact.

There are many other lifestyle choices that people make which may later require NHS intervention, e.g. smoking, drinking, drugs, and it’s difficult to draw a line in what should and shouldn’t be covered if people simply say ‘well they didn’t have to do it so they should deal with the consequences’.

With our system if you want to go private for any of your medical treatment (not just cosmetic) and you could afford it, you have that option to. I would be interested to know how many people who can afford it continue to use the NHS system though as if they did this would contribute to it’s expenditure and indirectly the level of tax that many complain about.

x

I do agree Dolly, the women are not the only victims in this scandal so are the cosmetic surgery companies who believed that they were buying a quality product only to be supplied with mattresses!!

Obviously everyone is going to have their own opinions of who should foot the bill but unfortunetly for the majority of women it looks like they will end up paying for it themselves,

Hi all,I have my own opinion on this subject,when the scandal broke out I was absolutely devastated for the women affected by pip implants, trying to think of a solution to help these women,to be honest where money is concerned,I really don’t think anyone wants to take responsibility,this is such a shame as the cosmetic surgery companies have made their profit on that patient and the government have had their share of taxes whilst the women were working hard to save for the implants.

Who’s fault is it,well we can argue till we are blue in the face who is to blame,and we will never come up with an answer,because all our opinions will differ,and while we sit here arguing over who is going to foot the bill,some of these women are becoming seriously ill,their health is at risk.

I really don’t care now who is at fault my main concern is finding a solution to help these women,and the answer is CASH.I wrote to a company called my free implants,explained the pip situation and asked them if they would allow me to raise funds on their site,they said that no one had done this before,but they would allow me to, this was announced and sanctioned in their news item on the 20th Feb 2012.

There have been many debates about my free implants on this forum,I have sat back watched and read all the comments some agree with it some don’t. Not once have I felt that I have had to compromise my dignity on that site,and in 4 weeks the members have given me enough cash in almost 4 weeks to pay for the first removal and replacement of one persons pips,now on the scale of things this may not seem much,but this will change that one persons life.

I do not see a penny of this money it is paid directly to the resurge foundation,all details and news items are on my fb page,Im happy to add anyone that wants to read,if I had a choice I would have the whole country fund raising to help these women,because you never know what’s around the corner,and to be honest,if I had pips,I would just be hoping to god that someone would help me.

I dont care how long I have to be on that site,I will raise the money I will help these women,and I don’t care who is to blame,its happened and all the arguing in the world will not give us a solution,so I will try my best to raise as much cash as I can to help as many women as I can.

If any of you have any fund raising ideas please let me know,I will give you details of the charity solely involved in this,sorry for the essay ladies and thank you for reading.I will always be here for you,I check my messages all the time so don’t think I have abandoned you,Im here if you need me.

LOVE YOU ALL xxx

Tina you really are a legend!!!! I wish you all the look in the world with the fund raising you are doing, I’m sure the women with the pips will be very appreciative of what you are doing for them. Well done x x

Thanks lovely some ones got to try,this isn’t going to go away.

Also thanks to everyone for the private messages and good wishes.xxx

Tina what did you say you name was for face book, I’ll add you, I would like to follow your progress!!!

Tina that is such a generous thing for you to do! I wish you the best of luck with your fundraising and hopefully you can raise more awareness of it to raise cash quicker. It’s also good to see a completely different way of trying to deal with the problem, I know personally wouldn’t have thought about that. xx

amanada86 its flintoff,Ive added you honey.

candyfloss thankyou,I do hope so,I think as soon as the first lady has been selected via the charity,more people will start fund raising and hopefully we will not have to rely on the government,if we can all club together and do this ourselves,it is achievable,we just have to remain positive and look forward for solutions not back at who’s fault it is,its happened it needs a solution.xxx.

Tina that’s soo selfless of you, well done! I’ll add your fb page xx

Thanks lovely.xxx

tina do u have a twitter page?? x

One of our wonderful members on this forum has come up with an amazing idea for raising funds to help the pip implant girls.A bikini car wash right across the country on a set date,the guys would be queuing up for a car wash,the garages would get more custom and we could raise thousands to help remove and replace pip implants for the women that have no funds to do this.

If any of you absolute beauties would be willing to do this for charity please let me know.xxxx

Well speaking personally for me I’ve jus had my pip implants taken out yesterday with my breast. My right one was severly ruptured!!!!! Which disintigrated wen being removed!!!!! I first had them done at Harley medical group who have been absolutely disgusting with there pip patients!!!!! I had to pay for a MRI scan because a surgeon wouldn’t see me till I had then wen they finally told me the results of the scan (3wks later!!!) and they didn’t tell me they had my GP telling me. Then they wanted £500 to c a surgeon!!!! There was no way they was getting another penny out of me!!! They r removing and replacing up to 6yrs if they are older than that u have to pay which I think is appalling!!!! I do think these companys should pay for removal and replacement. Why should we have to pay for something that we had put in us and trusted these compants to put proper implants in us. It isn’t our fault we have had this rubbish put in us. I’ve jus had to pay another £4,000 out which I personally think I shouldn’t of. Xx

Dolly92 why do u think Harley medical used so many pips… Because they was so cheap!!!! Which is fact!!!!! Wen I went for my consultation with mya after I found out one had ruptured my pc told me that had only used a few wen they first opened in 2007 and realised something wasn’t right with them and decided to stop using them. Plus other companies that I have looked into have said the same that something wasn’t right with them. If Harley medical go bankrupt then that’s there fault. If they would of treated there patients properly in the first place then maybe they would get respect of there existing patients. Plus do u think anyone is going to recommend them cos from a personal view they certainly wouldn’t b getting recommendation off me. Xx

[Author]

Posts